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April 23-24, 2010 Deerfield, IL
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TWENTY-ONE WORKSHOPS ON THE CRAFT, CREATIVE AND BUSINESS OF WRITING:
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Rejection Bootcamp
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Author's Brand Image
(Blythe Gifford)
Can We Talk?: Discuss Your Writing with Confidence (Ruth Kaufman)
When the Manuscript's Done, the Work's Just Begun! (Marianne LaCroix, Annmarie
Ortega, Kimberly Sullivan)
Perseverance and Perspective
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The Importance of Tea in the English Culture (Sofia Motamedi)
Online Marketing 101
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Writing the Series
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Layer and Texture Your Novel for High Impact (Cherry Adair)
Dialogue: It's More than What You Say (Julia Quinn)
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Sex Scenes Viagra
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Setting as a Character
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Beyond Research: Stronger Point-of-View & the Effective Use of Detail (Carrie
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Conflicted about Conflict? Sign a Peace Treaty between You and Your Plot
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Monday, March 15, 2010
Sunday, March 14, 2010
Spring is in the Air
While I guess we can't officially say that spring has sprung, signs of it are everywhere.
Most of the snow around here is gone. Except for a few random bizarre patches that haven't melted, the grass has been revealed after a long winter of hiding out.
The temperatures are rising. Over the last week (although the weekend's been chilly again), our temperatures hit in the lower fifties and even made it into the sixties by one afternoon.
In between rain showers, the sun has actually been shining.
Tulip bulbs are starting to pop. I have a whole row alongside my house that have burst forth from the ground.
Daylight savings began today. Longer days, more light...I can't even complain about losing an hour of sleep when I look at it that way.
Best of all, spring break is a week away. I'm looking forward to a week off of work, sleeping in, getting some much needed R & R, and pounding out lots and lots of words on my laptop. If the weather holds, I might even be able to make use of the front porch!
So where ever you are, I hope you are enjoying the signs of spring!
Until next week,
Happy Reading!
Debra
www.debrastjohnromance.com
Most of the snow around here is gone. Except for a few random bizarre patches that haven't melted, the grass has been revealed after a long winter of hiding out.
The temperatures are rising. Over the last week (although the weekend's been chilly again), our temperatures hit in the lower fifties and even made it into the sixties by one afternoon.
In between rain showers, the sun has actually been shining.
Tulip bulbs are starting to pop. I have a whole row alongside my house that have burst forth from the ground.
Daylight savings began today. Longer days, more light...I can't even complain about losing an hour of sleep when I look at it that way.
Best of all, spring break is a week away. I'm looking forward to a week off of work, sleeping in, getting some much needed R & R, and pounding out lots and lots of words on my laptop. If the weather holds, I might even be able to make use of the front porch!
So where ever you are, I hope you are enjoying the signs of spring!
Until next week,
Happy Reading!
Debra
www.debrastjohnromance.com
Saturday, March 13, 2010
A Day At Sea by Margot Justes
Our days are still bleak, the dingy grey snow still has not totally melted, so I did the next best thing, I imagined myself back on vacation.
Surrounded by water on all sides, the giant ship glided along the waves, the water lapping steadily as we move forward. Mesmerizing. Relaxing. Blissful. All cares swept away.
The first day of the cruise was spent at sea. The early morning is best, before the multitudes wake, I have my first cup of coffee and look at the ocean. There is nothing better than the gentle breeze (sometimes not so gentle) and the smell of the ocean.
I satisfied my coffee itch, and went to the 12th deck to walk, not a bad way to begin a morning.
Having built up an appetite, (not that I have to work hard to do that) a leisurely breakfast seemed like a good idea, and of course I needed more coffee.
The delightful part of being at sea, is that you can do as much or as little as you want. There are plenty of planned activities, from belly dancing, belly flops and I'm sure other belly things, there is ballroom dancing, and...you get the drift. But I brought books to read and a pad to write on.
The staff always on hand to bring fresh coffee, milk, whatever you need; they are continuously working. By the end of the first day, the steward knew my name and not because I was an author, (unknown) but because it is part of the training to make each guest feel at home and welcome. You know what, it worked.
Even the elevators had a plaque on the floor marking each day, a sweet reminder I'm on vacation.
Till next time,
Margot Justes
www.mjustes.com
A Hotel in Paris
Surrounded by water on all sides, the giant ship glided along the waves, the water lapping steadily as we move forward. Mesmerizing. Relaxing. Blissful. All cares swept away.
The first day of the cruise was spent at sea. The early morning is best, before the multitudes wake, I have my first cup of coffee and look at the ocean. There is nothing better than the gentle breeze (sometimes not so gentle) and the smell of the ocean.
I satisfied my coffee itch, and went to the 12th deck to walk, not a bad way to begin a morning.
Having built up an appetite, (not that I have to work hard to do that) a leisurely breakfast seemed like a good idea, and of course I needed more coffee.
The delightful part of being at sea, is that you can do as much or as little as you want. There are plenty of planned activities, from belly dancing, belly flops and I'm sure other belly things, there is ballroom dancing, and...you get the drift. But I brought books to read and a pad to write on.
The staff always on hand to bring fresh coffee, milk, whatever you need; they are continuously working. By the end of the first day, the steward knew my name and not because I was an author, (unknown) but because it is part of the training to make each guest feel at home and welcome. You know what, it worked.
Even the elevators had a plaque on the floor marking each day, a sweet reminder I'm on vacation.
Till next time,
Margot Justes
www.mjustes.com
A Hotel in Paris
Friday, March 12, 2010
To Self Pub, to POD, or to Not Self Pub or Not POD -..That is the Debate
My Guest Today is here for a DEBATE. PA Brown's Bio is at the END of this blog.
The question we are taking up today has complicated answers. It involves writers deciding to self publish and/or working with a POD publisher. Does publishing one's own work have a horrible stigma attached to it, and has it spilled over into stigmatizing POD publishing as well? In short do agents, editors, readers, and many a writer confuse the two methods of publishing and is the stigma warranted or not, and in a world of labeling and assuming the worst...in a world where appearances are more important than reality, does it matter or help if an author has to stop and explain the difference between self publising and Print on Demand Publising even to organizaions and witers groups?
To get at this complicated issue, I asked author PA Brown if she would kindly allow me to debate her over these issues as PA or Pat recently posted her feelings and impressions of what happens to an author who publishes in the manner of self publication (without separating out POD and other legit methods of publishing). Below you find Brown vs. Walker in a friendly but firm banter over these issues. At bottom too find PA Brown's brief bio and a url where you can locate many titles with PA Brown on the cover..
Question in the main: does producing a self-published version help or harm an aspiring writer find
a legitimate publisher?
To be fair, PA Brown did not pose this question but it pivots on the word legitimate before the word publisher...using this adjective is what causes POD pubbed authors to see red. It assumes a POD book, novel or nonfiction is illigitimately published, that it is a 'bastard' of some sort without a legitimate parent or publisher, when in fact PODs go through as rigorous production and editing and vetting as any other published book, and it is a separate creature from a vanity press or a purely self-published book. Unfortunately, many agents, many editors with traditional publishing houses, and many writers organizations confuse these two and prejudge PODs, lumping them in with self pubbed books. But I am getting ahead of myself in this attempt to clarify a major difference in say a book published by a legitimate POD publishing concern and a self pubbed book. On the one hand, the author pays the freight, and on the other, the publisher pays costs and sometimes pays an advance.
For manay inteerested in the difference between legitimate and illigitimate it is a matter of monies put forth for the privilege of publishing the author's work. And there is the rub for many.
Now on to PA Brown's remarks which I shall attempt to respond to here for the first time in any coherent fasion as I have published traditonally, with POD publishers, and more recently as an Indie Author self-pubbing ebooks for the Kindle reader.
PA Brown says: I think any author considering self-publishing has to educate themselves thoroughly and know exactly what they are getting into and what they may be losing.
1. Self-published books that go on and sell well and are picked up by major publishers are extremely rare. You probably have about as much chance of winning a lottery.
RW Walker says: Agreed. Rare is the watchword here, however not every author who self pubs a book is looking to win any lottery. There are as many reasons to self pub as there are to write in the first place. Yes if one's goal is to be on any bestseller list in this country then self pubbing will likely disappoint; on the other hand, if your purpose or goal is something else, say vindication or self actualization, or to share your story with other cancer victims...then you may just win THAT lottery via self publicaton or the separate model of Print on Demand.
Brown: 2. Will it hurt their (self P's or POD authors*) chances of getting a legitimate publisher or agent? I
would say only for that particular work. Future works would be judged on their own. It would help if you have some decent sales on the self-published book.
Walker: Again I agree up to a point. Most certainly each project is handled as a separate item even by one's agent and once in the hands of most editors. When querying an editor at a traditonal house or even a POD house it is not always wise to discuss a work that was self pubbed but has a poor track record or no record to speak of. And so I would counsel to not speak of it while trying to interest an editor in a current projet. Sell the one you're with. However, if it is a POD and was vetted by a legitimate small press doing PODs, and it went through a rigorous process, and you got an advance and royalties accrued, by all means, despite sales numbers, I'd toot my horn over it and the fine publishing house you worked with to present a final product, putting it in the best of terms and light.
Brown: 3. Are they (insert: the unwashed or unvetted self pubbed*) prepared to have the novel professionally edited? There is no one, even editors, who can produce a book and trust their own editing skills. I've heard from a lot of editors who will tell you that they would never dream of putting a piece of their own out unedited.
(*Rob's Inserts)
Walker: Agreed whole-heartedly; rewriting is writing but editing is cold, objective third party rewriting and invaluable for a manuscript. This is truly where the boys and girls are separated out from the men and women. There is a huge lot of drek published in the self pub world, more so than ever with the advent of online ebook pubbing going on where anyone with a PC can set up shop now and become an Indie Author as I have, but it is sorely needed here--this thing we call vetting nowadays. Has the book or novel gone through a rigorous editing process by a professional editor such as a retired NYC editor or a person with a long history in the field? A process that again pivots on payment, money changing hands, or in the case of legitimate small publishers whose processes may not hinge on advances but are just as rigorous as any NYC publishing concern or traditional publisher. Often these same publishers have seen their books win awards on top of awards. My Five Star publisher is a fine example as is my wife's publisher, Krill, Poisoned Pen, Bleak House, Midnight Ink, Echelon with whom I have also published. Again big difference between a vetted POD novel and a purely self pubbed novel that has had no professional editing. By the way, there is and always has been a great deal of tons of drek published via traditional publsihing as well. Stuff I would not line my bird cage with.
Brown: 4. Will you pay for a professionally designed book cover? Like it or not, book covers sell books. Your book can be the best thing since the Gutenberg bible, but if people think the cover looks like something their ten year old could do then no one will look past that.
Walker: I agree that book covers need to be competive with the large houses that have whole departments devoted to cover art/design, and the generic covers offered up by lulu, smashwords, wordclay and other online publsihing outlets 'suck'. This is an area where the author does need to either get a GIFTED ten year old to do a professional looking cover or pay out some bucks. There are many graphic designers willing to take your money to produce precisely the look you want or need. My son does all my ebook covers and Five Star used his cover design for Dead On.
Brown: 5.Realize that while Amazon may sell it for you, it will be next to impossible to get any bookstores to carry it. Libraries are unlikely to take your book and there are very few reviewers who will take on a self-published book.
Walker: Self pubbed, PA is right, so right about book stores and libraries carrying self pubbed but not so with small press, not entirely. In fact Five Star only targerts library sales. That is thier niche market. But again this is not self pubbing, so I will defer to PA on this and agree. On the other hand, Amazon's relatively new Kindle Store and Kindle ebooks program at dtpamazon.com is a great, great boon for authors who have nowhere else to turn if they wish to re-release an out of print title that happens every day in the world of traditional publishing. Authors such as myself who have this top-heavy list of titles dating back to 1979 can and are seeing a resurgence of interest in their work, finding a new audience in young readers who were not yet born say when my 11-book Instinct series was in print.
Other authors that I know who sold their 10th book and had 9 rejected ones before it but have confidence in those 9 have also become highly successful Indie Authors via Amazon/Kindle. The benefits here go beyond self-aggrandizement and self importance as it begins with the best money split in a publishing contract I have seen in publishing anywhere, wherein the author is highly valued as a partner and not the last man on the totem to be paid a decent wage. What Pat is talking about is old news - some fourteen year old kid self-pubs on his blog his massive four hundred thousand word science fiction epic. This Kindle program is a new day for professional authors whose descripts, cover art, reviews, and reputations sell the books. But to be fair, Pat's speaking of first time authors who decide to go Kindle, and yes, they do have an uphill battle indeed but it affords them some sense of belonging and being while they wait the two or three or ten years to find an agent or an editor on the roulette wheel of traditional publishing where luck and happenstance play as great a part if not MORE than talent; in fact Amazon ebooks are more likely to display raw new young and old talent than are traditonal houses these days who have thier top ten play lists.
However, again so much depends on how hungry a writer is for fame, money, or recognition of his work -- what he or she is shooting for as in the stars or as in a sense of self worth. Where on the scale of goals do your dreams properly fall or completely fail and disappoint you? Complete disappointment in your self pubbed book or even a POD or a Kindle can be bleak as hell, depending on what sort of expectations you had for the book which are?
Brown: 6. Realize that all selling and promotion will be on your head. Yes, I know a lot of publishers do that now, but even so, they can usually get your book into catalogs and in front of booksellers. And they can distribute it.
Walker: I have worked with over 10 or 11 publishers, mostly traditonal with advances and money changing hands or "legit" houses and while I got the occasional ad here and there, once in the New York Times on a Monday deeply embedded, and in the catalogs, ninety percent of the fifty or so times at the trough, the book was pubbed without a shred of promotion, yet I found it entirely on my head. True distribution is the greatest selling point for mass market houses as they have a lock on it in most cases, but even then after the initial excitement of seeing your book in every major box store, bam come the returns period and almost as many of those distributed unpromoted books rush back to the house as stripped copies like a riptide and it was fun while it lasted, and your royalties suffer badly, and next it is the remainder table at Costco and The Book Barn. I have never seen a remaindered ebook but they can be reduced in price; they can also be increased in price. But there are NO returns that play havoc with your royalties. In all the ebooks I have sold on Kindle, I believe I have seen three, maybe four returned (no doubt due to language, sin, sex, violence or mistaken identity); none of the riptide stuff. There is a freedom and a sense of empowerment that comes too with publishing the Kindle ebook - if it fails, you can accept the condemnation, accept that it was on your head, your choices, your title, your pricing, your pub date, your promo efforts or lack thereof. With traditonal publishing, believe me--while you were not consulted on all these matters, and it took nine months to two years to see print, it is your fault when the riptide occurs--it MUST be the writing and it MUST be the author's fault.
Brown: 7.As a self-published author, you will also be fighting an uphill battle to have people take you or your book seriously. A lot of people are going to look at it this way: if no one would pay you to publish it, then it can't be any good. Whether that's true or not, the fact is that there are a lot of very bad self-published books out there and every fiction reader knows that.
Walker: In traditional publishing you have to battle to get people to take you seriously. Even though some major publisher has laid out a tidy sum to put the work on the market, readers do not CARE who pubbed it and most do not pay attention to whether the words Random House is there or Midnight Ink if they are caught up by the copy - the descript or the cover art, or the title and subtitle for that matter, or your quite literary sounding name in bold letters, or the crime scene tape across the bottom ala Patterson. In fact, readers often do not care how badly a book is written so long as it catches hold of their imaginations.
But again I agree with Pat Brown regarding the fact that there are far, far too many BAD books being published in self pub world, but then too there are far, far too many BADLY written, even SAD to say AWFUL books being published in the so-called real world of publishing...some, as an editor myself, I could not recommend even to their own authors who penned them!
Brown: 8. You have a zero recognition factor. No one knows you, no one cares about your book, or how good your book is. You alone will have to convince them otherwise, one reader at a time.
Walker: Even the professional book jobbers who work for the major publishers will tell you that it remains a business of selling one book at a time, one unit at a time; that is the nature of the book biz. Even online bookstores sell em one at a time. As a new author with a first book priced at 25 bucks in the real world of pubbing, guess what, no one knows you...you have zero recognition factor going for you. You alone will have to convince strangers otherwise, one reader at a time--beginning with your mother.
To be fair, I doubt that Pat Brown had given much thought to the distinctions I have made here between the vasrious sorts of self publsihing available to writers today that did not exist even a year ago before the kindle reader appeared on the scene, when some of us were pubbling with Amazon.com/shorts and such places as FictionWise.com - now a Barnes & Noble asset. Now B&N has its own eReader, the Nook--and millions have bought into both this and Kindle. There are probably more things to consider, but Pat and I for two would tell any aspiring writer to try to have your book published by traditional means by all means, as it remains the Good House Keeping Seal of Approval in all quarters, but there are now other Seals of Approval, awards for best ebooks, even best self published books, and more and more review outlets for same are popping up daily along with chat groups such as KindleKorner.
Yes by all means struggle to find a legit publisher but do not overlook the smaller legit publishers, and when you get sick and tired of the horrible game of collecting rejections, you do not have to wait for a decade or two as I did when my 160,000 too-large-for-traditional-houses-to-deal-with novel in three parts, Children of Salem, was turned down by every publisher in the known universe. Once I decided it was better off on Kindle than collecting dust in my drawer, it took me one day to publish it. This after YEARS of vetting this Hystery-Mystery hybrid, and today it is outselling all my other books combined. For one thing, it does not cost 25.95 but was priced by the author at 2.99 which goes up in July.
So yes, thank God we have more choices and avenues to publication than in past years when Mark Twain had to self publish at his own cost the Memoirs of President US Grant who was destitute at the time.
A final word from Pat to whom I owe a great deal of gratitude for allowing me to counter each of her eight arguments first posted on DorothyL about a month ago now. Pat has been a great sport to allow me such sway with her words in this debate and for that I hope you will definitely go to visit her terrific website which displays her remarkable achievements and titles as she is the author of the award-winning LA series of crime novels; find my gracious guest at http://www.pabrown.ca/ and below find Pat's bio. AND please leave your comments and questions!
Brief Bio for PA Brown:
At age 22 I left rural life in Ontario, Canada for a place that was called a war zone by the LAPD. There were stabbings and shootings and assaults every weekend. Most of my time in L.A was spent crawling around in the underbelly of the city, trying to find new and interesting ways to kill myself, including a month or so living out of a car. I visited Skid Row, spent time on the streets of Hollywood, befriended a bartender who was killed after she went home with a customer. And you wonder why I write crime novels?
L.A. Heat grew out of those sometimes dark, always fascinating days. During the 80's I saw the advent of a terrible disease that no one understood that became known as AIDS. I knew a lot of people who died in those days. For a brief period of time, I was even a Valley girl, living within spitting distance of the famous Sherman Oaks Galleria. Do I miss it? Every day. I'm hoping to go back there next year for the next Left Coast Crime.
Then I went one better and moved to Hawaii in 1986 where my daughter was born. She's never quite forgiven me for moving back to Canada. I managed to get away one more time, this time to Bermuda for 2 years. What can I say, I keep leaving and Canada just keeps sucking me back in. But the time I spent in L.A, the land of dreams and lies,where illusion battled daily with reality, and reality rarely wins made an indelible impression on me and to this day almost all my writing is set there. I think the fact that my writing is fairly dark can also be laid at the doorstep of the City of Angels. I still immerse myself in reading anything I can find about the place, to the point that some people in my family think I'm a tad obsessive about it. But then the subject matter of my books also raises some eyebrows among them. I mean, I know lots of women write gay books, but it's all new to my family. I can lay the blame for L.A. Heat and Chris and David right at the doorstep of Los Angeles. If I'd stayed in London, Ontario I never would have come up with those two. You decide whether that's good or bad.
Once again my sincere thanks to Pat 'PA' Brown for her contribution to today's ACME Authors. I think it has been a fair fight and that Dr. Phil would approve.
Rob Walker
http://www.robertwalkerbooks.com/
The latest madness - Name my Next Book Contest
The question we are taking up today has complicated answers. It involves writers deciding to self publish and/or working with a POD publisher. Does publishing one's own work have a horrible stigma attached to it, and has it spilled over into stigmatizing POD publishing as well? In short do agents, editors, readers, and many a writer confuse the two methods of publishing and is the stigma warranted or not, and in a world of labeling and assuming the worst...in a world where appearances are more important than reality, does it matter or help if an author has to stop and explain the difference between self publising and Print on Demand Publising even to organizaions and witers groups?
To get at this complicated issue, I asked author PA Brown if she would kindly allow me to debate her over these issues as PA or Pat recently posted her feelings and impressions of what happens to an author who publishes in the manner of self publication (without separating out POD and other legit methods of publishing). Below you find Brown vs. Walker in a friendly but firm banter over these issues. At bottom too find PA Brown's brief bio and a url where you can locate many titles with PA Brown on the cover..
Question in the main: does producing a self-published version help or harm an aspiring writer find
a legitimate publisher?
To be fair, PA Brown did not pose this question but it pivots on the word legitimate before the word publisher...using this adjective is what causes POD pubbed authors to see red. It assumes a POD book, novel or nonfiction is illigitimately published, that it is a 'bastard' of some sort without a legitimate parent or publisher, when in fact PODs go through as rigorous production and editing and vetting as any other published book, and it is a separate creature from a vanity press or a purely self-published book. Unfortunately, many agents, many editors with traditional publishing houses, and many writers organizations confuse these two and prejudge PODs, lumping them in with self pubbed books. But I am getting ahead of myself in this attempt to clarify a major difference in say a book published by a legitimate POD publishing concern and a self pubbed book. On the one hand, the author pays the freight, and on the other, the publisher pays costs and sometimes pays an advance.
For manay inteerested in the difference between legitimate and illigitimate it is a matter of monies put forth for the privilege of publishing the author's work. And there is the rub for many.
Now on to PA Brown's remarks which I shall attempt to respond to here for the first time in any coherent fasion as I have published traditonally, with POD publishers, and more recently as an Indie Author self-pubbing ebooks for the Kindle reader.
PA Brown says: I think any author considering self-publishing has to educate themselves thoroughly and know exactly what they are getting into and what they may be losing.
1. Self-published books that go on and sell well and are picked up by major publishers are extremely rare. You probably have about as much chance of winning a lottery.
RW Walker says: Agreed. Rare is the watchword here, however not every author who self pubs a book is looking to win any lottery. There are as many reasons to self pub as there are to write in the first place. Yes if one's goal is to be on any bestseller list in this country then self pubbing will likely disappoint; on the other hand, if your purpose or goal is something else, say vindication or self actualization, or to share your story with other cancer victims...then you may just win THAT lottery via self publicaton or the separate model of Print on Demand.
Brown: 2. Will it hurt their (self P's or POD authors*) chances of getting a legitimate publisher or agent? I
would say only for that particular work. Future works would be judged on their own. It would help if you have some decent sales on the self-published book.
Walker: Again I agree up to a point. Most certainly each project is handled as a separate item even by one's agent and once in the hands of most editors. When querying an editor at a traditonal house or even a POD house it is not always wise to discuss a work that was self pubbed but has a poor track record or no record to speak of. And so I would counsel to not speak of it while trying to interest an editor in a current projet. Sell the one you're with. However, if it is a POD and was vetted by a legitimate small press doing PODs, and it went through a rigorous process, and you got an advance and royalties accrued, by all means, despite sales numbers, I'd toot my horn over it and the fine publishing house you worked with to present a final product, putting it in the best of terms and light.
Brown: 3. Are they (insert: the unwashed or unvetted self pubbed*) prepared to have the novel professionally edited? There is no one, even editors, who can produce a book and trust their own editing skills. I've heard from a lot of editors who will tell you that they would never dream of putting a piece of their own out unedited.
(*Rob's Inserts)
Walker: Agreed whole-heartedly; rewriting is writing but editing is cold, objective third party rewriting and invaluable for a manuscript. This is truly where the boys and girls are separated out from the men and women. There is a huge lot of drek published in the self pub world, more so than ever with the advent of online ebook pubbing going on where anyone with a PC can set up shop now and become an Indie Author as I have, but it is sorely needed here--this thing we call vetting nowadays. Has the book or novel gone through a rigorous editing process by a professional editor such as a retired NYC editor or a person with a long history in the field? A process that again pivots on payment, money changing hands, or in the case of legitimate small publishers whose processes may not hinge on advances but are just as rigorous as any NYC publishing concern or traditional publisher. Often these same publishers have seen their books win awards on top of awards. My Five Star publisher is a fine example as is my wife's publisher, Krill, Poisoned Pen, Bleak House, Midnight Ink, Echelon with whom I have also published. Again big difference between a vetted POD novel and a purely self pubbed novel that has had no professional editing. By the way, there is and always has been a great deal of tons of drek published via traditional publsihing as well. Stuff I would not line my bird cage with.
Brown: 4. Will you pay for a professionally designed book cover? Like it or not, book covers sell books. Your book can be the best thing since the Gutenberg bible, but if people think the cover looks like something their ten year old could do then no one will look past that.
Walker: I agree that book covers need to be competive with the large houses that have whole departments devoted to cover art/design, and the generic covers offered up by lulu, smashwords, wordclay and other online publsihing outlets 'suck'. This is an area where the author does need to either get a GIFTED ten year old to do a professional looking cover or pay out some bucks. There are many graphic designers willing to take your money to produce precisely the look you want or need. My son does all my ebook covers and Five Star used his cover design for Dead On.
Brown: 5.Realize that while Amazon may sell it for you, it will be next to impossible to get any bookstores to carry it. Libraries are unlikely to take your book and there are very few reviewers who will take on a self-published book.
Walker: Self pubbed, PA is right, so right about book stores and libraries carrying self pubbed but not so with small press, not entirely. In fact Five Star only targerts library sales. That is thier niche market. But again this is not self pubbing, so I will defer to PA on this and agree. On the other hand, Amazon's relatively new Kindle Store and Kindle ebooks program at dtpamazon.com is a great, great boon for authors who have nowhere else to turn if they wish to re-release an out of print title that happens every day in the world of traditional publishing. Authors such as myself who have this top-heavy list of titles dating back to 1979 can and are seeing a resurgence of interest in their work, finding a new audience in young readers who were not yet born say when my 11-book Instinct series was in print.
Other authors that I know who sold their 10th book and had 9 rejected ones before it but have confidence in those 9 have also become highly successful Indie Authors via Amazon/Kindle. The benefits here go beyond self-aggrandizement and self importance as it begins with the best money split in a publishing contract I have seen in publishing anywhere, wherein the author is highly valued as a partner and not the last man on the totem to be paid a decent wage. What Pat is talking about is old news - some fourteen year old kid self-pubs on his blog his massive four hundred thousand word science fiction epic. This Kindle program is a new day for professional authors whose descripts, cover art, reviews, and reputations sell the books. But to be fair, Pat's speaking of first time authors who decide to go Kindle, and yes, they do have an uphill battle indeed but it affords them some sense of belonging and being while they wait the two or three or ten years to find an agent or an editor on the roulette wheel of traditional publishing where luck and happenstance play as great a part if not MORE than talent; in fact Amazon ebooks are more likely to display raw new young and old talent than are traditonal houses these days who have thier top ten play lists.
However, again so much depends on how hungry a writer is for fame, money, or recognition of his work -- what he or she is shooting for as in the stars or as in a sense of self worth. Where on the scale of goals do your dreams properly fall or completely fail and disappoint you? Complete disappointment in your self pubbed book or even a POD or a Kindle can be bleak as hell, depending on what sort of expectations you had for the book which are?
Brown: 6. Realize that all selling and promotion will be on your head. Yes, I know a lot of publishers do that now, but even so, they can usually get your book into catalogs and in front of booksellers. And they can distribute it.
Walker: I have worked with over 10 or 11 publishers, mostly traditonal with advances and money changing hands or "legit" houses and while I got the occasional ad here and there, once in the New York Times on a Monday deeply embedded, and in the catalogs, ninety percent of the fifty or so times at the trough, the book was pubbed without a shred of promotion, yet I found it entirely on my head. True distribution is the greatest selling point for mass market houses as they have a lock on it in most cases, but even then after the initial excitement of seeing your book in every major box store, bam come the returns period and almost as many of those distributed unpromoted books rush back to the house as stripped copies like a riptide and it was fun while it lasted, and your royalties suffer badly, and next it is the remainder table at Costco and The Book Barn. I have never seen a remaindered ebook but they can be reduced in price; they can also be increased in price. But there are NO returns that play havoc with your royalties. In all the ebooks I have sold on Kindle, I believe I have seen three, maybe four returned (no doubt due to language, sin, sex, violence or mistaken identity); none of the riptide stuff. There is a freedom and a sense of empowerment that comes too with publishing the Kindle ebook - if it fails, you can accept the condemnation, accept that it was on your head, your choices, your title, your pricing, your pub date, your promo efforts or lack thereof. With traditonal publishing, believe me--while you were not consulted on all these matters, and it took nine months to two years to see print, it is your fault when the riptide occurs--it MUST be the writing and it MUST be the author's fault.
Brown: 7.As a self-published author, you will also be fighting an uphill battle to have people take you or your book seriously. A lot of people are going to look at it this way: if no one would pay you to publish it, then it can't be any good. Whether that's true or not, the fact is that there are a lot of very bad self-published books out there and every fiction reader knows that.
Walker: In traditional publishing you have to battle to get people to take you seriously. Even though some major publisher has laid out a tidy sum to put the work on the market, readers do not CARE who pubbed it and most do not pay attention to whether the words Random House is there or Midnight Ink if they are caught up by the copy - the descript or the cover art, or the title and subtitle for that matter, or your quite literary sounding name in bold letters, or the crime scene tape across the bottom ala Patterson. In fact, readers often do not care how badly a book is written so long as it catches hold of their imaginations.
But again I agree with Pat Brown regarding the fact that there are far, far too many BAD books being published in self pub world, but then too there are far, far too many BADLY written, even SAD to say AWFUL books being published in the so-called real world of publishing...some, as an editor myself, I could not recommend even to their own authors who penned them!
Brown: 8. You have a zero recognition factor. No one knows you, no one cares about your book, or how good your book is. You alone will have to convince them otherwise, one reader at a time.
Walker: Even the professional book jobbers who work for the major publishers will tell you that it remains a business of selling one book at a time, one unit at a time; that is the nature of the book biz. Even online bookstores sell em one at a time. As a new author with a first book priced at 25 bucks in the real world of pubbing, guess what, no one knows you...you have zero recognition factor going for you. You alone will have to convince strangers otherwise, one reader at a time--beginning with your mother.
To be fair, I doubt that Pat Brown had given much thought to the distinctions I have made here between the vasrious sorts of self publsihing available to writers today that did not exist even a year ago before the kindle reader appeared on the scene, when some of us were pubbling with Amazon.com/shorts and such places as FictionWise.com - now a Barnes & Noble asset. Now B&N has its own eReader, the Nook--and millions have bought into both this and Kindle. There are probably more things to consider, but Pat and I for two would tell any aspiring writer to try to have your book published by traditional means by all means, as it remains the Good House Keeping Seal of Approval in all quarters, but there are now other Seals of Approval, awards for best ebooks, even best self published books, and more and more review outlets for same are popping up daily along with chat groups such as KindleKorner.
Yes by all means struggle to find a legit publisher but do not overlook the smaller legit publishers, and when you get sick and tired of the horrible game of collecting rejections, you do not have to wait for a decade or two as I did when my 160,000 too-large-for-traditional-houses-to-deal-with novel in three parts, Children of Salem, was turned down by every publisher in the known universe. Once I decided it was better off on Kindle than collecting dust in my drawer, it took me one day to publish it. This after YEARS of vetting this Hystery-Mystery hybrid, and today it is outselling all my other books combined. For one thing, it does not cost 25.95 but was priced by the author at 2.99 which goes up in July.
So yes, thank God we have more choices and avenues to publication than in past years when Mark Twain had to self publish at his own cost the Memoirs of President US Grant who was destitute at the time.
A final word from Pat to whom I owe a great deal of gratitude for allowing me to counter each of her eight arguments first posted on DorothyL about a month ago now. Pat has been a great sport to allow me such sway with her words in this debate and for that I hope you will definitely go to visit her terrific website which displays her remarkable achievements and titles as she is the author of the award-winning LA series of crime novels; find my gracious guest at http://www.pabrown.ca/ and below find Pat's bio. AND please leave your comments and questions!
Brief Bio for PA Brown:
At age 22 I left rural life in Ontario, Canada for a place that was called a war zone by the LAPD. There were stabbings and shootings and assaults every weekend. Most of my time in L.A was spent crawling around in the underbelly of the city, trying to find new and interesting ways to kill myself, including a month or so living out of a car. I visited Skid Row, spent time on the streets of Hollywood, befriended a bartender who was killed after she went home with a customer. And you wonder why I write crime novels?
L.A. Heat grew out of those sometimes dark, always fascinating days. During the 80's I saw the advent of a terrible disease that no one understood that became known as AIDS. I knew a lot of people who died in those days. For a brief period of time, I was even a Valley girl, living within spitting distance of the famous Sherman Oaks Galleria. Do I miss it? Every day. I'm hoping to go back there next year for the next Left Coast Crime.
Then I went one better and moved to Hawaii in 1986 where my daughter was born. She's never quite forgiven me for moving back to Canada. I managed to get away one more time, this time to Bermuda for 2 years. What can I say, I keep leaving and Canada just keeps sucking me back in. But the time I spent in L.A, the land of dreams and lies,where illusion battled daily with reality, and reality rarely wins made an indelible impression on me and to this day almost all my writing is set there. I think the fact that my writing is fairly dark can also be laid at the doorstep of the City of Angels. I still immerse myself in reading anything I can find about the place, to the point that some people in my family think I'm a tad obsessive about it. But then the subject matter of my books also raises some eyebrows among them. I mean, I know lots of women write gay books, but it's all new to my family. I can lay the blame for L.A. Heat and Chris and David right at the doorstep of Los Angeles. If I'd stayed in London, Ontario I never would have come up with those two. You decide whether that's good or bad.
Once again my sincere thanks to Pat 'PA' Brown for her contribution to today's ACME Authors. I think it has been a fair fight and that Dr. Phil would approve.
Rob Walker
http://www.robertwalkerbooks.com/
The latest madness - Name my Next Book Contest
Thursday, March 11, 2010
It's Conference Season by DL Larson
My mail has been full of conference brochures, a sure sign spring is coming and with it many writers conferences. I wish I could attend all of them, but time and money simply won't allow that. If you have yet to make plans to attend a conference in 2010, now would be a good time to make some plans. Listed below are a few conferences for writers. All can be found on the internet and I have posted their website (if I've pushed all the correct buttons.)
Here are a few worth looking into:
- Write-by-the-Lake Writer's Workshop & Retreat, June 14-18, 2010; University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI www.dcs.wisc.edu/lsa/writing/wbtl.htm
-The Split Rock Arts Program, offers summer workshops and seasonal retreats in creative writing, visual arts and design through June and July - St. Paul MN
www.cce.umn.edu/SplitRockArts2010
- Desert Dreams Writer's Conference, Scottsdale AZ, April 16-18, 2010
www.desertroserwa.org/conference.htm
- Spring Fling 2010 Writer's Conference, Deerfield IL April 23-24, 2010. The very same conference many Acme Authors will be attending! www.chicagospringfling.com
- Write Touch 2010: Love is Brewing in Milwaukee (I love the title of this conference) May 14-16, 2010, Brookfield WI www.wisrwa.org
- Meacham Writer's Workshop, Chattanooga, TN, March 25-27, 2010 - I heard there is still room - but act fast! www.meachamwriters.org
- Las Vegas Writers' Conference, April 15-17, 2010 www.lasvegaswritersconference.com
- Making Something Out of Nothing Conference - Simpsonville SC, April 29-May 2, 2010,
www.mywritingretreat.com
That's just a few I found or was notified about; there are many more in May and June. Writer's Digest Magazine has several posted as does RWR magazine. I'm sure with a bit more searching the perfect conference for you will catch your attention.
If you know of a great conference, share it with us.
Til next time ~
DL Larson
Here are a few worth looking into:
- Write-by-the-Lake Writer's Workshop & Retreat, June 14-18, 2010; University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI www.dcs.wisc.edu/lsa/writing/wbtl.htm
-The Split Rock Arts Program, offers summer workshops and seasonal retreats in creative writing, visual arts and design through June and July - St. Paul MN
www.cce.umn.edu/SplitRockArts2010
- Desert Dreams Writer's Conference, Scottsdale AZ, April 16-18, 2010
www.desertroserwa.org/conference.htm
- Spring Fling 2010 Writer's Conference, Deerfield IL April 23-24, 2010. The very same conference many Acme Authors will be attending! www.chicagospringfling.com
- Write Touch 2010: Love is Brewing in Milwaukee (I love the title of this conference) May 14-16, 2010, Brookfield WI www.wisrwa.org
- Meacham Writer's Workshop, Chattanooga, TN, March 25-27, 2010 - I heard there is still room - but act fast! www.meachamwriters.org
- Las Vegas Writers' Conference, April 15-17, 2010 www.lasvegaswritersconference.com
- Making Something Out of Nothing Conference - Simpsonville SC, April 29-May 2, 2010,
www.mywritingretreat.com
That's just a few I found or was notified about; there are many more in May and June. Writer's Digest Magazine has several posted as does RWR magazine. I'm sure with a bit more searching the perfect conference for you will catch your attention.
If you know of a great conference, share it with us.
Til next time ~
DL Larson
Wednesday, March 10, 2010
Marilyn (F.M.) Meredith Has an Axe to Grind - She'll tell you about it
I couldn't help using that line in the title. It was way to tempting. (G) Seriously, I'm happy to be hosting Marilyn a/k/a F.M. Meredith on our blog today. She's a vibrant member of the mystery community, with lots of energy and talent. I'm particularly happy that Marilyn is one of the members of the mystery blog, Make Mine Mystery, but that's not all she does. - Morgan Mandel
F. M. Meredith who also writes under the name Marilyn Meredith is the author of nearly thirty published novels including the Rocky Bluff P.D. crime series, An Axe to Grind is the newest from Oak Tree Press. No Sanctuary was a finalist the mystery/suspense category of the Epic best in e-books contest .
She is a member of EPIC, Sisters in Crime, Mystery Writers of America, and on the board of the Public Safety Writers of America. She was an instructor for Writer’s Digest School for ten years, served as an instructor at the Maui Writer’s Retreat and many other writer’s conferences. For over twenty years she lived in a beach community similar to Rocky Bluff.
You can visit the author online at http://fictionforyou.com/ and her blog at http://marilynmeredith.blogspot.com/
Here's what Marilyn's Axe to Grind is about:
Detective Doug Milligan and his partner question suspects in the murder of a stalker including the stalker's target, her boyfriend, father and brother, as well as the stalker’s step-father. The investigation leaves little time for Doug to see his fiancée and fellow officer, Stacey Wilbur.
Stacey handles a molestation case which involves the son of a friend. She and her mother talk wedding plans, though all must wait until Doug's renter, Officer Gordon Butler finds another place to live.
When Doug disappears while tailing a suspect, Stacey sets out to find him, hoping she can reach him time.
Here's what our Axe Grinder has to say:
Why I’m Writing About a Fictional Place by F.M. Meredith
My Rocky Bluff P.D. crime series is about a police department located in a small Southern California beach community in Ventura County between Santa Barbara and Ventura. I didn’t want to write about a real place. I’ve found it easier to make up the setting because the restaurants and stores I mention won’t go out of business before the book is published.
When I wrote the first book in the series my goal was to show how the family affects the policeman on the job and the job affects the police officer’s family. When we lived in a similar beach community, our first home was in a neighborhood full of cops. We partied with them, our kids played together, and the wives and I had coffee. A few years later, my daughter married a police officer and I had an even more intimate view of the relationship of the job and the family.
Though there are on-going characters, each book features different officers and the crimes they are working on, as well as what is going on in their private lives.
Though I do try to use solid police procedure, because the town of Rocky Bluff is small, as is their police department, they don’t have all the up-to-date equipment of a larger department. Crimes are solved more by old-fashioned detecting rather than by using all the forensics as seen on most of the popular TV shows.
I belong to the Public Safety Writers Association where most of the members are linked to law enforcement in some way, so I do have experts to ask when need be. However, when I’m talking to them about my books, I always say, “Remember this is my police department and I can do it anyway I want.” The statement always gets a laugh and they are forgiving when they read my books.
One thing about writing about a fictional place, I must keep track of all the businesses I’ve made up, where landmarks are located, which way the streets go, and anything else that I might have mentioned in another book. This is as important as keeping track of all the attributes of the characters.
Sometimes my protagonists go to a real city. In An Axe to Grind, Detective Doug Milligan goes to the Santa Barbara University campus to locate a suspect. I had to do some research to find out what the part I was writing about looked like and how the campus police operated. In the same book, Detective Milligan and his partner go to Ventura. I’m familiar with the part of Ventura I wrote about.
Though Rocky Bluff is a fictional place, it seems very real to me. I can see it in my mind just as well as I can see all the real spots that I’ve visited over the years. The town is located right on the coast, though on the north side there is a bluff where the wealthier people live. Along the beach are older, small homes, once vacation spots for people from out of town, but now mostly rentals. I could go on, but you get the idea. I know Rocky Bluff as well as I know the people who live there and inhabit my books.
F.M. Meredith a.k.a. Marilyn Meredith
http://fictionforyou.com/
http://marilynmeredith.blogspot.com/
Please welcome Marilyn by leaving a comment below.
She is a member of EPIC, Sisters in Crime, Mystery Writers of America, and on the board of the Public Safety Writers of America. She was an instructor for Writer’s Digest School for ten years, served as an instructor at the Maui Writer’s Retreat and many other writer’s conferences. For over twenty years she lived in a beach community similar to Rocky Bluff.
You can visit the author online at http://fictionforyou.com/ and her blog at http://marilynmeredith.blogspot.com/
Detective Doug Milligan and his partner question suspects in the murder of a stalker including the stalker's target, her boyfriend, father and brother, as well as the stalker’s step-father. The investigation leaves little time for Doug to see his fiancée and fellow officer, Stacey Wilbur.
Stacey handles a molestation case which involves the son of a friend. She and her mother talk wedding plans, though all must wait until Doug's renter, Officer Gordon Butler finds another place to live.
When Doug disappears while tailing a suspect, Stacey sets out to find him, hoping she can reach him time.
Here's what our Axe Grinder has to say:
Why I’m Writing About a Fictional Place by F.M. Meredith
My Rocky Bluff P.D. crime series is about a police department located in a small Southern California beach community in Ventura County between Santa Barbara and Ventura. I didn’t want to write about a real place. I’ve found it easier to make up the setting because the restaurants and stores I mention won’t go out of business before the book is published.
When I wrote the first book in the series my goal was to show how the family affects the policeman on the job and the job affects the police officer’s family. When we lived in a similar beach community, our first home was in a neighborhood full of cops. We partied with them, our kids played together, and the wives and I had coffee. A few years later, my daughter married a police officer and I had an even more intimate view of the relationship of the job and the family.
Though there are on-going characters, each book features different officers and the crimes they are working on, as well as what is going on in their private lives.
Though I do try to use solid police procedure, because the town of Rocky Bluff is small, as is their police department, they don’t have all the up-to-date equipment of a larger department. Crimes are solved more by old-fashioned detecting rather than by using all the forensics as seen on most of the popular TV shows.
I belong to the Public Safety Writers Association where most of the members are linked to law enforcement in some way, so I do have experts to ask when need be. However, when I’m talking to them about my books, I always say, “Remember this is my police department and I can do it anyway I want.” The statement always gets a laugh and they are forgiving when they read my books.
One thing about writing about a fictional place, I must keep track of all the businesses I’ve made up, where landmarks are located, which way the streets go, and anything else that I might have mentioned in another book. This is as important as keeping track of all the attributes of the characters.
Sometimes my protagonists go to a real city. In An Axe to Grind, Detective Doug Milligan goes to the Santa Barbara University campus to locate a suspect. I had to do some research to find out what the part I was writing about looked like and how the campus police operated. In the same book, Detective Milligan and his partner go to Ventura. I’m familiar with the part of Ventura I wrote about.
Though Rocky Bluff is a fictional place, it seems very real to me. I can see it in my mind just as well as I can see all the real spots that I’ve visited over the years. The town is located right on the coast, though on the north side there is a bluff where the wealthier people live. Along the beach are older, small homes, once vacation spots for people from out of town, but now mostly rentals. I could go on, but you get the idea. I know Rocky Bluff as well as I know the people who live there and inhabit my books.
F.M. Meredith a.k.a. Marilyn Meredith
http://fictionforyou.com/
http://marilynmeredith.blogspot.com/
Please welcome Marilyn by leaving a comment below.
Tuesday, March 9, 2010
Taking a sick day
Actually, not only am I sick but my computer was sick. We both caught a virus.
Back next week.
Back next week.
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